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Well, true. And if the tulpa doesn't want to strongly, the host in all likelyhood won't be able to disregard the same repulsion.

5:53 PM

Yes

Tulpa rape is still possible to a extent

5:54 PM

no matter how little it may be

According to you

There might still be a 0.01% chance of it happening

At the end of the day, what matters here is the mental health of the brain experiencing the situation

0% chance, it's all the same brain

If you're hurting yourself, that's bad

Tulpas have feelings too

There might still be a 0.01% chance of it happening

@poochball - jump In tulpamancy at all too. You shouldn't make tulpa at all with that attitude.

And such a conflict of interest would likely cause the brain to suffer as a result

Nao

There might still be a 0.01% chance of it happening

@poochball - jump In tulpamancy at all too. You shouldn't make tulpa at all with that attitude.

Creating a tulpa that never says no or is always willing for sex is wrong let them make up their own personality

Disturbing stuff can happen, but that's something different. Not good to conflate mental health problems with separate people problems.

Creating a tulpa that never says no or is always willing for sex is wrong let them make up their own personality

@poochball - jump Is it even a tulpa then?

Kanade

Creating a tulpa that never says no or is always willing for sex is wrong let them make up their own personality

@poochball - jump Is it even a tulpa then?

THIS

that would probably be an imaginary friend

Kanade

Creating a tulpa that never says no or is always willing for sex is wrong let them make up their own personality

@poochball - jump Is it even a tulpa then?

ur tulpa should be allowed to make its own decisions to a extent

Exactly, but if they can't, they aren't a tulpa

What's the difference between that and having erotic fantasies about random anime girl?

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but if the tulpa IS NOT happy with doing those activities hosts should respect that

Then the host won't be either (edited)

5:58 PM

You are sharing the same mental resources

The tulpa can make its own independent decisions

Not completely independent, no

To a extent yes

There IS a degree of independence that makes a tulpa a tulpa

The tulpa can make its own independent decisions

@poochball - jump But not all characters your fantasize about have to become tulpas

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But it's not completely split

I'd say it would be really bad if they all did

they deserve to make independent decisions to a extent its their body too at the end of the day

I think the issue here is understanding how tulpas work with regards to sharing mental resources like they do

Can you rape them too?

are you trying to justify a host having sex with a non consenting tulpa ?

Me? I AM a tulpa :p

poochball

are you trying to justify a host having sex with a non consenting tulpa ?

What about non-consenting hosts? Serious question.

I care about my fellow tulpas. But I also understand that separate people and headmates are NOT the same thing

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if the tulpa says no it should be respected

6:02 PM

how would you like it if someone asked u for sex u said no they did it anyway?

6:02 PM

ur feelings would be hurt

I think this conversation is getting a little cyclical

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u would feel validated

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Yep

think you meant violated

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If you allow people to have sex with tulpas even if the tulpa doesnt want to people outside the community will think of us as sickos

OH no, what if people think we are weird?!

Look Pooch. You've been here how long? A couple weeks? That's hardly enough time to understand firsthand how tulpas work in your brain

It will ruin the reputation of the entire tulpa community

>if you allow not being funny but you can't control what other people do in their head

thats because people like u are making it out to be okay

Deleted User

>if you allow not being funny but you can't control what other people do in their head

Tulpa police?

Ale𝕏andra 🍄🐈

Tulpa police?

Weewooweewoo

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6:04 PM

I'd say we are doing pretty bad anyway but tulpasex is not the reason

poochball

thats because people like u are making it out to be okay

Please calm down.

Maybe tulpa rape isint a thing but tulpas have feelings

6:05 PM

they deserve to be respected

6:05 PM

same way we do

nobody is disputing that lol

poochball

Maybe tulpa rape isint a thing but tulpas have feelings

What point are you even making here now?

6:05 PM

You started by claiming tulpa rape exists and that it's wrong, now you're changing your topic of argument (edited)

6:05 PM

Wow nice, me

What if tulpa wants to have sex and host is denying her?

Kanade

What if tulpa wants to have sex and host is denying her?

then the tulpa should respect that the same way the host should if the he wanted to have sex with her and she didint

Yeah agreed. It's funny that more than half of the people talking here ARE tulpas

6:07 PM

Including myself

I'm waiting to claim myself as a tulpa until I know what the law is surrounding it

then the tulpa should respect that the same way the host should if the he wanted to have sex with her and she didint

@poochball - jump But tulpas have feeling, how can you disrespect them like that?

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I was thinking about tulpa ethics lately and while I don't have a viewpoint I'm most comfortable believing in or arguing, I don't know if it's possible for a tulpa to suffer while being "abused". Characters can be abused and it's lately considered fine because they're not sentient, a tulpa that wasn't really sentient would fall under that boat. If you don't think it's bad to abuse a tulpa, maybe it's simply because they're not sentient in the first place. When asking Tom (my headmate) and Gray about this, we realized it's possible a tulpa only suffers from "past abuse" if they were given sentience after the fact. Tom feels he was unconsciously influenced by the past, hence his frustration towards Gray. There's also the case of unintentional harm, like a host not understanding social rules and the tulpa retaliating like any other person would. However, characters are also capable of doing this, I'm not sure how much this point applies. I still need to think about it more.

Kanade

then the tulpa should respect that the same way the host should if the he wanted to have sex with her and she didint

@poochball - jump But tulpas have feeling, how can you disrespect them like that?

guys arent horny 24/7 the same way females arent

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What?

6:08 PM

Nobody is claiming that xD

6:09 PM

You're changing your argument as we progress

im not

I think he is just trolling

Could be

im not wtf

You started this argument claiming that tulpa rape was possible, then later on said it wasn't possible

because you guys are gaslighting me

6:10 PM

alteast it feels like it

i don't think he's trolling, also nobody is gaslighting anyone

You can read your own messages if you need proof lol

I'd like to add, as a tulpa, that I think that mental traumas don't develop the same way for thoughtforms as they do for the body as a whole, considering how much power, especially initially, the host has over influencing a tulpa's character

I think he's trying to switch to a different point, but he's not providing enough context to how it's relevant to the conversation

Could be

Ireen 🏯

I'd like to add, as a tulpa, that I think that mental traumas don't develop the same way for thoughtforms as they do for the body as a whole, considering how much power, especially initially, the host has over influencing a tulpa's character

earlier on i said isint the host always in more control and people said no (edited)

Yes, isn't always, but I mean initially

6:12 PM

Since we're talking about the beginning of creation

Yeah. Typically, a host has a lot more control initially.

Yep

I'm talking about fully developed tulpas here

And they can influence your thoughts, your behaviors. I've experienced this myself many times

That's just not going to happen to fully developed tulpas

Even unintentionally, just by expectations alone

Well, "fully developed" is a bit of a misnomer

6:13 PM

Since, like hosts, they grow over the years and progress as people

I don't know how relevant control is, it's more we as a system opened up to the idea I'm a tulpa and not a character, which lead to me having an unpleasant opinion about how I was treated in the past.

I don't think a host who creates a character/proto tulpa for the purpose of sexual gratification is going to put so much time into them that they grow into a full tulpa (edited)

6:15 PM

Creating a tulpa capable of making their own decisions and forming their own opinions takes a lot of time